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Ford Tractors: Difference between a 9N, 2N, and 8N

04/06/2015 by RG 67 Comments

One of the most popular tractors of all time, the Ford N-series tractor is an American icon. More than fifty years after the last 8N rolled off the assembly line, these tractors are still incredibly popular. You’ll see them all over – at auction sales and dealerships, but also alongside the road with a “For Sale” sign, at garage sales, and even at your favorite restaurant on date night (true story – as often as we’ve had to go home to get a trailer, we should really learn not to leave home without them!).

 

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Ford 8N

As beloved as factory original N-series tractors are, I’ve seen plenty that are rather… unique. Like the one I bought from an old hippie that was painted bright yellow, with flowers all over the hood. I thought I’d have to repaint it, but before I got around to doing so it was spotted by another customer who just LOVED the paint job. Problem solved, no paint required!

 

For a more serious collector, though, being able to identify exactly which of the N-style tractors (9N, 2N, or 8N) you’re looking at is very important. While we’ve gone into specific details about the year-to-year improvements in N-series tractors before (click here), today I’m going to give you a quick “field guide” to determining the model of an N-series tractor.

 

Ford 2N
Ford 2N

First, a quick history lesson: the 9N was introduced in 1939. It was followed by the 2N in 1942, and early models were greatly impacted by wartime rationing. Once the war was over, a new and much improved 8N was introduced in 1948.

 

As my hippie tractor will demonstrate, paint color can’t always be counted on. But since it is the first and most obvious clue available, you should know that 9N and 2N tractors were painted all grey, while a red and grey paint job was for 8N tractors. Plenty of people are unaware of this, though, and will paint their 9N or 2N red and grey as well. So don’t trust the paint job too much.

 

9Ns and 2Ns are rather similar, but there are some big differences between them and the 8N. So it’s easiest to see if you have an 8N first, and save the smaller 9N v. 2N differences for later.

 

You are definitely looking at an 8N tractor if:

  • The rear wheel is dished, with a large nut in the center surrounded closely by 8 more lug nuts. In contrast, both the 9N and 2N models have a flat rear wheel with a ring of 6 lug nuts further out.
  • There’s a 4-speed transmission. 9N and 2N tractors had a 3-speed.
  • The hydraulic 3-point arms have a halfway position between fully “up” and “down”. 9N and 2N tractors only had draft control. The 8N introduced position control, which is a small up/down handle under the seat on the right side–this was an improvement to the hydraulic system.
  • Both brake pedals are on the same side – 9N and 2N tractors were split.
  • The serial number starts with an “8N.” I know this seems obvious, but it is important to note that both 9N and 2N serial numbers start with a “9N,” leading to confusion.

Of course, the 8N had plenty of other improvements over the 9N and the 2N – but these features are the easiest to spot and the hardest to modify.

 

If the tractor definitely isn’t an 8N, then you’ll need to examine more closely the differences between a 9N and a 2N. This can be hard to do, because the transition between the 9N and the 2N wasn’t as clean-cut as the transition to the 8N later on. Wartime rationing and a desire to reduce waste lead to a slower switch, as features were modified once the previous model’s parts were used up.

 

That being said, here are some clues that can help in most cases:

 

  • If the tractor has a cast aluminum hood and/or a starter switch on the right side of the dash, congratulations! You’re probably looking at one of the first 9Ns produced – rare and highly collectible.
  • Tubular radius arms indicate a 2N produced after mid-1944. All N-series tractors built prior to 1944 (every 9N and some 2Ns) had I-beam radius arms. However, 2Ns with I-beam radius arms are rather rare, so chances are good that any tractor with I-beam arms is a 9N.
  • If the dipstick is on the inspection cover, you are definitely looking at a later 2N.
  • If the serial number is readable, don’t assume that a “9N” prefix indicates a 9N tractor – as noted before, 2N tractors used this prefix as well. You’ll need to look up the entire number in a serial number guide (or my app!) to know for sure.

The dividing line is a little soft between a 9N and a 2N tractor. If these tips don’t give you a conclusive answer and the serial number isn’t readable, this article might help you figure out exactly what your tractor is.

 

But sometimes, you might have to settle for a 19N (9+2+8) – that’s what my family jokingly calls an N-series tractor that, over the years, has gained features from each model rather than staying true to it’s specific characteristics. The beauty of N-series tractors is that they are very common and very similar – this yields a steady stream of aftermarket modifications and parts swapping from one model to the next. While these happy hybrids with mixed parts and unreadable serial numbers might make purists cringe, I think Henry Ford would be happy to see his legacy of ingenuity and tinkering live on.

 

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Comments

  1. Joseph C. says

    04/06/2015 at 21:03

    Very good article!!!

    Reply
    • Dave Harper says

      02/03/2019 at 18:33

      I have an S on the n series ford tractor on the gear pattern to start it. What series would that be

      Reply
      • Mike Zander says

        11/24/2020 at 21:33

        On my Massey Ferguson TEA 20 with the key on ,when the gear lever is pushed into “S” it is a starter.A safety feature to prevent accidental starting in gear.

        Reply
  2. Jonathan Schumitsch says

    04/06/2015 at 22:12

    Where do i get ya app??? And how much does it cost???? And whats it name???

    Reply
    • Rachel Gingell says

      04/08/2015 at 10:09

      The app is called “Tractor Guide”. It’s a serial number database to help you determine the year a tractor was built.

      Currently it’s available for Apple products only. It’s $.99 in the app store.

      Reply
      • Darryl says

        10/01/2018 at 21:57

        10/01/2018
        Just down loaded app.. doesn’t appear to be working right. Not showing the years on Ford 2n and 9n

        Reply
        • Suzette Thomas says

          10/02/2018 at 09:49

          Darryl the app was sold by Rachel Gingell under her own name and had no tie to Steiner Tractor Parts. The article was also written by Rachel, and Steiner Tractor Parts is no longer associated with her in any way.

          Reply
        • Rick says

          06/26/2019 at 23:50

          I downloaded the app June 2019 and there is no date. Seems like a long time for a glitch like this…

          Reply
          • Suzette Thomas says

            07/09/2019 at 07:56

            Rick,

            You would need to contact Rachel Gingell regarding her app. I am sorry we are no longer associated with her.

  3. Bill Horton says

    04/07/2015 at 08:50

    I have a 1944 2N i bought over 30 years ago,engine overhauled & painted the gray & red in 1995,has been & still is a very good tractor.

    Reply
  4. Jerry Sheedy says

    08/08/2015 at 14:54

    I have a 1941 ford 9-N that I have restored It looks and runs great Ive done all the work myself and have enjoyed it I’m an old farm boy and remember the 9-N putting the mules out to pasture so I’ve seen a lot of changes in farming

    Reply
    • John says

      05/27/2018 at 14:59

      How do I tell what year my 9n is? Will it be between a ’39 and 41? Since they made 8n in 42?

      Reply
      • Lisa Warren says

        05/29/2018 at 09:49

        On the left side of the block, just behind the oil filter, there will be a serial number. If your serial number is between 1-10232, it is a 1939. Between 10234-45975 it is a 1940. 45976-89887 makes it a 1941. Any number higher than 89888 would be a 1942. Hopefully this helps you to identify the year of your tractor!

        Reply
        • Roger douglas says

          07/13/2019 at 12:23

          What if it’s no numbers behind the filter

          Reply
        • Quinton Tschetter says

          07/07/2021 at 05:14

          My 8n serial number is 7009 and has a 9n head. Teehee

          Reply
  5. Psyche Rankin says

    10/25/2015 at 17:29

    Purchased a near perfect 8n it was stolen I used it for hauling hay racks around We live in Piat Co IL She was a great old tractor I guess thieves thought so too

    Reply
    • Barb says

      07/07/2016 at 15:48

      Hope you recovered your tractor. Let us know!

      Reply
  6. david young says

    11/19/2015 at 19:40

    I have just bought 2 fords n tractors in france were I live 1 n9 and 1 n8 the n9 has had a modification in 1965 as the log book says the mod is a 2 cylinder diesel it fits like a glove with no cuts of bangs or welds I can see the motor had not run for 10 years and with clean fuel and a battery started the tractor drives grate pulls well could any one tell me if they have seen this modification to a ford n9 before and shed any light on its motor I have pics if any one is interested please let me no would be happy to send pictures of her many thank david young

    Reply
    • Jean-Paul ESTIVIE says

      02/03/2016 at 18:53

      Message for David YOUNG. Often French people think that their tractor is a 9N because the number 9N is engraved on some cast part. In fact , there are tractors assemblied in the Ford factory of Bordeaux after the war (several years after 1942). So they should be called 2N. And the number 2N is engraved on the blue ovale Ford. So according to me there is not any 9N in France.
      Please contact me because I would like to get more informations about your French Ford-Ferguson tractors.
      My e-mail address is: jp.estivie@gmail.com

      Reply
    • Robert Bibaud says

      10/01/2018 at 18:10

      111 Vine Street South
      I would love to learn more about your 2 cyl diesel and welcome photos etc

      Reply
  7. Jean-Paul ESTIVIE says

    02/03/2016 at 18:56

    As a member of the CLUB FERGUSON-FRANCE, I can give you usefull informations about the “Two cylinders, Diesel engine”
    Please send me an e-mail. My address is: jp.estivie@gmail.com

    Reply
  8. Bonsaibugg says

    03/29/2016 at 22:56

    I have chance to get a 1942 n2 that is running , it does not have original paint job or even the correct color. Just wondering what it worth?

    Reply
  9. Dewayne says

    03/31/2016 at 22:02

    I bought and downloaded your app it doesn’t work. I purchased it to look up a tractor I just purchased. I hope you take care of this matter.

    Reply
  10. Yellowbyrd says

    06/28/2016 at 17:18

    It looks like a lot are available

    Reply
  11. Eric Nafziger says

    09/12/2016 at 15:58

    I “think” I have found out early of the aforementioned early 9N’S but want to be sure before purchasing it. The push button is on the right side of the dash & is just left & above the key switch. Small black button. Keeper ring nut on the key switch matches the one on the start button. Have I found one? If so, how much does this find increase the price range over the stand 9N? – Thanks for any help you can privide.

    Reply
    • Rachel Gingell says

      09/15/2016 at 09:04

      Hi Eric. There are several distinctive qualities that an early 9N must have to be worth top dollar. The post at the link below outlines most of those qualities. If the tractor also has the correct grill, an aluminum hood, four-spoke steering wheel, correct riveted fenders, four-blade fan, square-type exhaust manifold, etc. then it would be an early 9N Ford.

      https://antiquetractorblog.com/2016/07/11/early-1939-9n-ford-tractor-distinctions/

      Reply
  12. Doug says

    01/29/2017 at 10:21

    Did any of these models have live PTO? I’m looking at these tractors which would be a great addition around my place but need to run a snow blower and wood splitter and maybe a bucket .

    Reply
    • Suzette Thomas says

      01/31/2017 at 08:47

      Doug No, none of the N series have live PTO. You would need to look for the 661, 861, 961 and up.

      Reply
  13. Leisa Paris says

    03/28/2017 at 14:54

    We recently obtained a 9N Ford tractor, received it as a trade. We were told it is a 1949 9N. Where on the tractor would I find the serial number so I can be sure what year this tractor is. Because since we have taken possession I’ve been informed that it can not be a 1949. Any help would be appreciated.

    Reply
    • Lisa Warren says

      10/20/2017 at 09:51

      Hi Leisa!
      The serial number for your tractor will be located on the left hand side of the engine block (when sitting on the tractor seat). 9N Fords were built from 1939 – 1943. Here is a guide to the year based on serial number:
      1939 SN between 1 and 10233
      1940 SN between 10234 and 45975
      1941 SN between 45976 and 89887
      1942 SN between 89888 and 105411
      1943 SN over 105412

      Hope this helps!

      Reply
      • Barb Stapp says

        04/25/2018 at 13:35

        Love your information!! My tractor’s serial number is: 9N I 143??3. Can you give me any information on it? She belonged to my dad but I am having an awful time keeping it running. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

        Reply
      • Dwayne Thompson says

        09/03/2018 at 11:31

        the number i found on mine is 9n163117 could you please help me with what yr this tractor is and if it is a 9n or 2n

        Reply
        • Suzette Thomas says

          09/24/2018 at 09:51

          Dwayne your tractor is a 9N and the serial number for a 1943 is 105412 and up.

          Reply
  14. Micah says

    07/18/2017 at 11:30

    What about the n series’s tractors with the 7n at the beginning of the serial number?

    Reply
  15. Kaus Wahl says

    07/27/2017 at 10:35

    Hello,
    Thank you for the article. I recently came into some land and am looking for a tractor. Saw a few ads on Craigslist where there are people selling 9N, 2N and 8N tractors.

    Would you kindly be able to provide me some indication of price for these such that I can make sure I do not overpay. I’m looking to use the tractors and am not a collector, at least not just yet, may be one day.

    Regards

    Reply
    • Lisa Warren says

      10/11/2017 at 13:08

      We recommend one of the following sites:
      https://www.mecum.com/tractors
      https://www.tractorbluebook.com/tractor-Blue-Book

      Hope one of those sites help!

      Reply
  16. Mark says

    08/19/2017 at 18:34

    Living in Ireland , I’ve just learned about the 9nan in the serial numbers , a petrol engine for the US market had a serial number stating with 9n and the US built petrol/tvo for the UK / Irish market started with 9nan, also I found out that from 1945 the 2n went back to full electrics, please add more comments to this if you can,
    Mark

    Reply
    • Thomas W Gogerty says

      05/03/2020 at 12:25

      Tom G, the NAN in the at the beginning of the number means it burns Kerosene.

      Reply
  17. Lyle Hamm says

    09/17/2017 at 15:10

    American Made ….. What happened.?
    These were the finest Tractors ever made.

    Reply
  18. Jeran goodwin says

    02/13/2018 at 19:48

    Good info, but I’m still confused.. serial #9n273712 so it’s a 9n… right? ? Except it has a 4 speed transmission, and typical 8n wheels. What do I have! Please help

    Reply
    • Jeran goodwin says

      02/13/2018 at 19:54

      Also, it has dished wheels with 8 lug nuts, both brake pedals are on right, clutch on left and has running boards…

      Reply
      • Lisa Warren says

        02/14/2018 at 08:52

        Hi Jeran,
        Looks like you are the proud owner of a 1950 Ford 8N tractor! 8Ns had 4 speed forward transmission, 9Ns had a 3 speed forward transmission. Also, 9N tractor serial numbers had 1 to 5 digits.

        Reply
        • Jeran goodwin says

          02/14/2018 at 15:47

          Thank you, just confused about the serial # starting with 9n. Someone told me it was a 1947 2n but they also said 2n didn’t have the 4 speed and other features this one has.

          Reply
        • Darryl says

          10/01/2018 at 22:22

          The serial number for your tractor will be located on the left hand side of the engine block (when sitting on the tractor seat). 9N Fords were built from 1939 – 1943. Here is a guide to the year based on serial number:
          1939 SN between 1 and 10233
          1940 SN between 10234 and 45975
          1941 SN between 45976 and 89887
          1942 SN between 89888 and 105411
          1943 SN over 105412
          This is what you posted in 2017. So which Is it?

          Reply
  19. R. L. Williams says

    03/15/2018 at 08:58

    Is the 9N supposed to have a small hole in one end of the oil pan? I never heard of such a thing until I parked mine on a very steep hill and saw some oil running out at the end of the pan.
    Was that hole put there intentionally to prevent over-filling? It is not there as a result of being rusted through. The pan seems in good shape and the tractor runs well. When parked on level ground the dipstick shows the proper amount of oil.
    Thanks for your help.

    Reply
    • Lisa Warren says

      03/15/2018 at 17:47

      The 9N didn’t come with a hole in the oil pan. It sounds like you may have a gasket that is leaking.

      Reply
  20. William Beall says

    03/16/2018 at 16:33

    I have a tractor (just purchased) that I thought was an 8N However, it has an overhead valve engine with the serial number on the right hand side of the engine. The carbureter is on the left side. The serial number doesn’t match the format any of the N model Fords. The Serial Number is OONN60158. What is this thing?

    Reply
    • Lisa Warren says

      03/20/2018 at 08:54

      William, the number you have provided is a partial casting number. Please check the clutch housing for stamped in numbers – this will be the serial number of the tractor and will allow us to identify your tractor. Thanks!

      Reply
      • William Beall says

        03/21/2018 at 21:33

        There were no stamped numbers on the clutch housing that I could find. Suggestions?

        Reply
  21. Jason says

    06/09/2018 at 20:55

    Just purchased what I thought was a 8N and the serial number behind the oil filter somewhat confirms that ,
    I think.. [8N123518] But……..it has a 3speed and a break petal on each side. It also has the extra hi/low transmission.
    What do I really have????
    Thanks

    Reply
    • Lisa Warren says

      06/13/2018 at 10:40

      Do the spark plugs come out the top or off the side?

      Reply
  22. Roger Teters says

    07/17/2018 at 21:49

    i have had a 2N 1946 9N 230823 for house construction duty for the last 20 years.
    Stills runs great. Got to get some new tires for it. I love it. It has a Front PTO..

    Reply
  23. Bob says

    08/21/2018 at 22:00

    Mine is 9n78i47 so is it a 41

    Reply
    • Suzette Thomas says

      09/24/2018 at 09:58

      9N
      1939…..1
      1940…..10234
      1941…..45976
      1942…..89888
      1943…..105412

      Reply
  24. Ed Russell says

    08/29/2018 at 22:21

    You forgot to mention that the 1939 9N had the grille bars running opposite of all the other N tractors. Also, the 8N had the draft control under the seat. All the 9 and2Ns had were sliding blocks on the hydraulic lever. 9Ns were renamed 2Ns because the government told Henry Ford he had to convert all plants to the war effort. Only newly developed models were allowed so Henry made minor changes in the 9N, called it a 2N and got around the government ban.9 & 2s had 1 3/8 PTOs and 8s had 1 1/8 ptos.

    Reply
  25. Ed Russell says

    08/29/2018 at 22:26

    Incidently, I forgot in my original reply, *s are not any bigger than 2s and 9s. Everything is interchangable except the wheels.

    Reply
  26. Chad says

    09/21/2018 at 00:53

    My dad has what seems to be an 8n the carb is on the right it’s 4 speed and it’s over head valve has dished 8 lug wheels and only 1 brake pedal and it has running boards the start button is on the bottom left of the steering wheel under the key I can’t find this tractor anywhere what year is it

    Reply
    • Tennsawdust says

      09/24/2018 at 16:37

      Are you sure that you do not have a Ferguson tractor? They had a Continental engine with the carburetor on the right hand (from the driver’s seat) side. The Ferguson 30 looks very much like the Ford, likely due to their earlier collaboration.

      Reply
    • Richard Rice says

      10/04/2018 at 17:16

      I guess maybe between 48 and 52 but you can search your serial number and find the year

      Reply
  27. Bryan says

    10/05/2018 at 20:04

    Were there or are there any owner’s manuals for the 2N or 9N available anywhere?

    Reply
    • Suzette Thomas says

      10/23/2018 at 08:16

      Bryan here is a link to the manuals we carry for both. Have a great day.

      https://www.steinertractor.com/Ford-9N-tractor-manuals

      https://www.steinertractor.com/Ford-2N-tractor-manuals

      Reply
  28. Jason says

    04/13/2019 at 19:52

    Great article! Very accurate.
    Just finished a complete restoration on a 1948 8N that I pulled out of a scrap bin a year ago. Its definitely a parade tractor. I also have a aluminum hood but no tractor, a 2N unrestored and just picked up a 1950 8N at an auction today.
    Thanks for a great site!
    Jason

    Reply
  29. Tiger says

    05/27/2020 at 21:34

    Hi
    I can not see serial number clearly but have been told it is 9N however, I have tubular radius arms and was told 2N has a 3 hole top link , I have seen 4 and 5 hole ones and was told a 9N has 5 holes , Is that true <?

    Reply
  30. Hank Albertson says

    06/09/2020 at 00:36

    Have a (I think) a 1913 Ford Ferguson, steel wheels. How do I determine model?

    Reply
  31. Ron Kornelson says

    07/01/2020 at 17:21

    Question, I have a tractor with # 8N6050 A8 marked on top of engine.
    #247547 on the side behind the oil filter.
    Also J286 markings
    On the front each side 2N3130,2N3131
    3 speed forward.
    I-beam radius bars
    Were there tractors exported to Canada in early 1947?
    What year tractor is this as engine has 8N markings .
    Thx
    Ron
    Manitoba, Canada

    Reply
  32. Stratton Pawsey says

    11/20/2021 at 11:36

    I have what I believe is a 2 N serial # 9N127378 I believe it is a 19 44. It’s a 3 speed with a Sherman hi Lo add on. I also have Jubilee. Love these old tractors. When I was a boy, my neighbor had an 8N which we used with a buzz saw to cut the winter’s wood supply.

    Reply
  33. Logan Mahl says

    03/28/2022 at 15:03

    I have a late 1943 2N that has the I-Beam radius arms. How rare is this tractor? It’s going to be fully restored but going with the 8n colors not the all grey color scheme.

    Reply

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